WEG S.A. (WEGZY) Q2 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

WEG S.A. (OTCPK:WEGZY) Q2 2024 Earnings Conference Call August 1, 2024 10:00 AM ET

Company Participants

Andre Luis Rodrigues – Financial Administrative Superintendent Director
Menegueti Salgueiro – Chief Financial Officer & Investor Relations Officer

Conference Call Participants

Rogério Araújo – Bank of America
Andre Pereira – Bradesco
Lucas Laghi – XP
Lucas Marquiori – BTG Pactual
André Mazini – Citi
João Frizo – Goldman Sachs
Jens Spiess – Morgan Stanley
Daniel Gasparete – Itau BBA
Alberto Valerio – UBS
Marcelo Motta – JPMorgan
Lucas Barbosa – Santander

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to WEG’s Conference Call to Announce the Results of the Second Quarter of 2024. I would like to highlight that simultaneous translation is available on the platform, on the interpretation bottom in the globe icon at the bottom of the screen. We are transmitting this conference through webcast and after it’s finished the audio will be available in our investor relations website.

During the company’s presentation, all participants will be connected in listen-only mode. Then we are going to start the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] If you have more than one question, please ask all of them at once. If we do not have enough time to answer all questions live, please feel free to send your questions to our e-mail, [email protected]. And we are going to answers the questions, after the end of our conference call.

Any forecasts herein or any statements made during the conference call about future events, business prospects, operational and financial projections and goals, and WEG’s future growth potential are mere beliefs and assumptions of WEG’s management because they are based on information currently available.

Forward-looking statements involve risks and uncertainties and therefore depend on circumstances that may or may not occur. Investors should understand that general economic conditions, industry-specific conditions and other operational factors may affect the future performance of WEG and may lead to results that will be materially different from those expressed in forward-looking statements.

Today with us in Jaragua do Sul, we have Andre Luis Rodrigues, Financial Administrative Superintendent Director; and then Menegueti Salgueiro CFO and IRO; Wilson Watzko, Controller; and Felipe Scopel Hoffmann, Investor Relations Manager. Mr. Rodrigues please. You may start.

Andre Luis Rodrigues

Good morning, everyone. It’s a pleasure to be with you again for the — to WEG’s earnings webcast.

I start on slide 3 where the net operating revenue grew 13.4%, compared to 2Q 2023. In Brazil, we report revenue growth as a result of the performance of long-cycle equipment especially in the area of power generation transmission and distribution with emphasis on transmission and distribution in wind power generation projects. In the foreign market, we also report positive results with good delivery volumes in the T&D business in North America.

Remembering that this quarter we started to consolidate in May, the industrial motors and generators businesses of the brands Marathon Rotor and Cemp acquired from Regal Rexnord in the business lines of industrial Electro-Electronic Equipment and GTD. EBITDA reached BRL2.1 billion, up 15.7% as compared to 2Q 2023. The EBITDA margin end of the quarter 22.9%, an increase of 0.5 percentage points, compared to the same period last year. Throughout the presentation, Andre Salgueiro will give more details on these points.

ROIC reached 37.4%, an increase of three percentage points compared to 2Q 2023 as you will see in more detail next slide. Revenue growth and the improvement in operating margins more than offset the growth in invested capital whose expansion is mainly explained by the acquisition and investments in fixed assets in a period. An important point to highlight is that the ROIC was positively impacted by the booking of tax incentives in 4Q 2023. Excluding this nonrecurring effect, ROIC would be 34.4%.

Now I give the floor to Andre Salgueiro to continue.

Menegueti Salgueiro

Thank you Andre Rodrigues. Good morning, everyone. On slide 5 you can see the evolution of revenue by business. In Brazil, we saw positive manufacturing activity with good demand for short-cycle products, especially gearboxes and serial automation products with good performance also in long-cycle equipment such as high-voltage motors, reflecting the order book built in recent quarters.

In GTD, T&D businesses had another positive quarter, driven by deliveries of large transformers and substations for projects related to transmission auctions transformers for distribution networks and deliveries of wind turbines.

In distributed Solar Generation, despite the growth in the volume of projects sold we report another quarter of revenue below the same period of the previous year mainly due to the lower prices of solar panels and a consequent impact on the prices of products sold.

In Commercial & Appliance Motors, we present continued good demand in several segments with emphasis on segments such as Air Conditioning and Motor Pumps. In Paints & Varnishes demand remain positive spreads across different segments with emphasis on a segment of home appliances.

In the foreign markets, we notice the gradual recovery of manufacturing activity in the main regions where we operate, especially for short-cycle equipment such as Low Voltage Electric Motors. We also had a positive contribution of long-cycle equipment, especially High Voltage Motors with emphasis on the Oil & Gas and Water and Sanitation segments.

Please be reminded that industrial engine businesses of the brands Marathon, Rotor and Cemp began to be consolidating this business area of May thereby contributing to this quarter’s revenue.

In GTD this is another quarter of good delivery volumes in the T&D business, especially in the United States of America combined with good demand in South Africa and in Colombia. In the generation businesses, we presented consistent results despite a strong basis for comparison due the concentration of our projects in Europe in Q2 2023.

In this business area in May, we started to consolidate the generator business acquired from Marathon. In Commercial Motors & Appliances, despite the good performance of Commercial Motors in Mexico and the U.S. we had flat sales volume in the quarter, mainly due to the drop in revenue in South America. In Paints & Varnishes demand for industrial products did not grow, because of declining sales in South America despite the positive activity in Mexico.

On Slide 6 the evolution of EBITDA growing 15.7%, the EBITDA margin ended the quarter at 22.9%, an evolution when compared to the same period of the previous year. This reflects the good margins of some important operations abroad and the current mix of products sold mainly influenced by the improvement in margins of long-cycle equipment due to the good demand for these products.

Finally, on Slide 7, we show the evolution of our investments. We invested R$392 million this quarter 57% in Brazil and 47% abroad. In Brazil, we continue expanding the manufacturing plants of Industrial Motors and Electric Traction Motors in addition to increasing the production of capacity — the production capacity of transformers. Abroad we highlight the investment in increasing production capacity in motor and transformer factories in Mexico.

Now, I end my part to give the floor back to,s Andre.

Andre Luis Rodrigues

On Slide 8, before moving to the Q&A session, I would like to highlight the completion of the acquisition of the Industrial Electric Motors and Generators of the brand’s Marathon, Cemp, Rotor. This quarter we started the incorporation process with support of our new employees’ integration of leadership in addition to getting to know the needs of our new customers.

Lastly, I would like to talk a little bit about the outlook for the rest of the year. We continue with a healthy operational dynamic where the good product mix and the constant pursuit for operational efficiency and productivity gains is expected to continue to support good operating margins and the return on invested capital for the rest of the year.

We continue to have a positive demand for long-cycle equipment especially in projects related to electrification and electrical infrastructure such, as the T&D businesses.

In short-cycle businesses, we saw a gradual resumption of manufacturing activity, but we remain alert to possible fluctuations in the main regions where we operate. We continue with our action plan to integrate new businesses, working constantly to strengthen synergies with current operations, always seeking business growth, and the improvement of the profitability of new operations.

Now, I end our presentation. Please operator we may move to the questions-and-answer session.

Question-and-Answer Session

Operator

Now, we are going to start the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] So, starting our first question comes from Rogério Araújo, sell-side Bank of America. Rogério, please you can open your microphone, you may ask your question,

Rogério Araújo

Good morning Salgueiro, Felipe. Congratulations on the results. I have two questions. The first is about margin trends for future quarters and years. The market expected to normalize margins very much because of commodities. I think that the industry as a whole absorbed cost reduction and we expected — delivered contracts with lower margins.

And now, there are some tailwinds. And so we have T&D not just in the U.S., I think that globally it’s gone up. The depreciation of the currency, there is a reduction of renewables in the margin. And recently, this improvement in the short-cycle portfolio and normalization was also expected.

So, there is a lot to say and many factors implied here. Could you tell us which are the prevailing forces right now? And what is the trend for the margin in future quarters and years? This is my first question.

Second question is you announced this production of wind power in U.S. I think this is something new for renewables in developed countries for the company. And I think that also because of seasonality and competition and maybe oversupply at some point in time in the past, WEG did not go into those markets. I would like to understand the rationale and the growth prospects timing anything you can tell us about that, which is something that is still under-explored in terms of relevance? Thank you very much.

Andre Luis Rodrigues

Hi Rogério, this is Andre Rodrigues. I’ll answer the first question and Salgueiro will answer the second question. Well, on margin, let’s focus the next quarter, we are focusing slightly more on this year. So, it’s always difficult to make forecast because this demands very much on the dynamics variations in long and short cycle. Well, first of all, we see resilient margins especially because of the good performance of long-cycle products. We are not expecting any significant changes in the short term in terms of margin.

Yes, we are supposed to continue with the performance that is better than our historical margins recently. And our objective is to always deliver margins above the market averages. And margin fluctuations are common in our industry, especially if we compare long and short cycle.

I think it’s always important in talking about margins is to observe the market because this might change this margin. You mentioned the FX rate, well FX fluctuations. Every time there is a devaluation, it benefits in the short term. So, we need to follow-up the fluctuations in FX rate, the cost of commodities for a long time may also affect volatility and slowdown in the macroeconomic scenario in the world. I think that we should also remember that the acquisition of the businesses that we acquired from Regal Rexnord may bring some fluctuation in margins too.

Menegueti Salgueiro

So, this is Salgueiro. As to when we announced in the market recently our intention of joining the US market providing wind turbines. And this strategy is part of a bigger movement of making wind generation international. We’ve been developing this in India for a while and we want to generate a 4.2 certified. We always seek new contracts but we should then move to other geographies, and now with the US because of opportunities and market size. And the second reason is the fact that we already have an operation in Minneapolis where we manufacture other generators and we are going to use the same plant to manufacture the wind turbines.

So as we do we start in a small scale with no significant investments. The idea is to start just with a few machines. And then we have room for participation. We move to increase the business in the short-term. This is not something for the short-term. We have just announced and the intention is to sell new brands, the brands that are being sold in Brazil the seven mega machine. So maybe we’ll be working to have the first orders probably in 2025 only. But considering the opportunity and the size of the US market, we see with good eyes the development of wind generation, especially outside Brazil.

Rogério Araújo

Great. Thank you so much. This is very clear. Well, Andre, I didn’t say your name, but thank you very much for answering the question.

Operator

Now, our next question comes from Andre Pereira sellside Bradesco. Andre, you may your question, please.

Andre Pereira

Good morning, everyone. Thank you for taking my question and congratulations on the very strong result. If we take out Regal’s revenue in the foreign market, the growth would still be about 8% year-on-year and also explaining the effects to some growth. In the last quarter we were talking about a drop. Is there any change in demand for short-cycle equipment in the foreign market, which markets and which products got better?

And the second is the effective rate that is slightly higher this quarter. I think that the main difference quarter-on-quarter was related to the Regal. Does it have anything to do with the acquisitions? How do you explain that?

Menegueti Salgueiro

Hi Andre. About the short cycle dynamic and how it behaved this quarter, I think that number one, if we think of growth and taking out the newly acquired businesses, it’s better than it was in Q1. We expected this to happen. I think that when we separate short-cycle in Brazil, the activity demonstrated to be positive, especially with serial equipment automation with different segments. And so here I’m talking about electronics. We saw a gradual recovery with a highlight in the main segments that had a positive performance. This quarter was oil and gas and water and sanitation.

We mustn’t forget either that in terms of short cycle that commercial motors and appliances. And we had been seeing since last year. And once again, it’s strong with a growth of 31.3% in Brazil. And this is because of the continuity of the favorable demand in many different of our target segments. And here we are talking about segments that are significant for us, air conditioning, motor pumps, and leisure. So pumps for swimming pools. So this is basically, what we are seeing in the short-cycle dynamic. We’ve been seeing an improvement in the booking of new orders, and that there is a lag of two, three months and there might be some fluctuation in that period.

Andre as to the effective rate, there has been an oscillation between Q1 and Q2, especially in foreign line. And I think that, the most significant effect here is the change of the transfer price here in Brazil. So but this is part of our expectation. If we look at the average in the quarter we had some expectations and this is the trend that we expect from now on.

Operator

Our next question comes from Lucas Laghi from XP. Lucas, we are going to open your audio for you continue, please. You may ask your question.

Lucas Laghi

Thank you so much. Good morning, everybody. Thanks for the results. I have two questions I would like to ask you. I think that, the first complement some things that you have already said but thinking of the demand for electro-electronic industrial products. So this is important for customers exposed to commodities. This is volatile. This is related to the feeling that you see among customers and starting in August at the beginning of the year how do you see the evolution of the feeling as to invest allocation by your customers, which translates into future revenue for WEG. So, how do you see the evolution along the year? Maybe there is more optimism in terms. And how has this dynamics been changing? You said that you have a backlog in terms of the portfolio in the short term. And are you seeing any change in the feeling of your customers that are more exposed to commodity cycles?

Now, as to the GTD and delivery of wind turbines. So, do you see anything in the internal GTD because of this revenue that will not continue in the second half? And in solar the absolute EBITDA of this segment has been dropping at the same proportion as revenue. So the drop in revenue has been explained by price. And this is explained by inputs if we think of photovoltaic. So there is a mix because the revenue reduces the relevant, but better percentage within the segment. So these are the two points. So, wind and solar internal GTD, and the electro-electronic dynamics. So, what do you see with your customers?

Menegueti Salgueiro

Hi, Lucas. Thank you. In terms of electro-electronic manufacturing equipment, yes, this is important for the process industry. And most of them related to the consumption of commodities. And we have explored this theme on some WEG Day in the past. So we have water and sanitation. Sometimes we don’t have 100% visibility, because most of the sales are through OEMs. But in terms of feeling, I would say, we did not have any significant changes along the year. There are some segments such as water and sanitation performing well, they warmed up with good performance in recent quarters with a positive trend. Looking into the future, we have other segments, pulp and paper that was very strong over very important investment cycle in recent years in Brazil, and this year is kind of weaker, but it’s likely to resume look into the future. And mining, there are some oscillations. But overall, no major changes in the market dynamics.

So this depends very much on commodities and price cycles. So, with the mid- and long-term prices, because this is going to be the trigger for people to define that this is based on the variation of prices and volumes. So the price dynamics of short-term products, this is an indication but this is not all people are looking at, when they decide to make their investments. So this is within the overall context.

If we think of long cycle, we have a positive portfolio and some projects in the pipeline. And in terms of short cycle, we see a gradual improvement of the portfolio especially along recent months.

As to the GTD in the domestic market, as you said before, we are delivering the last wind project. And in fact there has been a greater concentration of revenue in the first quarter of the year. And we can’t look at GTD as a whole, and then the performance for the rest of the year, because there are other segments and we have an expectation in solar, which has been getting better.

When we look at solar, it’s better. And as time goes by, the price effect is likely to be to become more normal and to go down and down along the year. So solar is likely to grow again, in the second half of the year. So this is more or less the dynamics.

As to margins, especially in solar, there is an inventory effect depending on raw materials and prices. But these movements may affect the cycle in the short term. When we look into the mid and long term, we don’t see any major changes of these movements of impact of raw materials somehow end up being considered in the price structure. And looking in the mid and long term, we can see some stability.

Q – Lucas Laghi

Great, Rodrigo. Thank you very much for answering my questions.

Operator

Our next question comes from Lucas Marquiori from BTG Pactual. Lucas, You may ask your question.

Q – Lucas Marquiori

Thank you. So I have two questions. First Andre, both of you. Could you give us an update about integration? What about the assets that you received? What was the margin? Can you tell us about that? And then Rodrigo, so average utilization of capacity how much do you think you can ramp this up? So all these assets from Regal that — and number two, so this growth in foreign currency in local currency, the US market is very strong transformers because the commodity cycles that you have mentioned and long cycles to the growth in foreign currency that is still low. Do you see any space for you to evolve more? What’s your mindset in terms of, how much this is going to move forward? Thank you so much.

Andre Luis Rodrigues

Hi, Lucas, thank you for your question. Let’s talk about the integration process that was developed in this very short period of time. We completed the acquisition in April, and we started the merger of new businesses in May. So our first concern, were people and customers because they are very important assets to our company. And in this manner, at first, we tried to provide full support to our new employees almost 2,800 people, who have joined WEG and to get to know their needs of our new customers too. So, we had a very short time to work with improvements and to strengthen the synergies of operations. This is a journey. I think there is a lot still to be developed, but we always try to improve the profitability of new operations.

We started mapping the synergies in supplies to optimize our purchasing processes of raw materials, improvements in manufacturing processes, WEG has a lot of experience there efforts and initiatives for the integration of commercial and management areas, and especially the integration of leadership to incorporate that culture, and this is very important to us. For sure, this process poses challenges in the short-term, but we are confident in the execution of our action plan.

As a reminder, a long history through many acquisitions, WEG learned and structured itself and is specialized in post-acquisition processes. As I said, it takes time. It may take three to five years until we have 100% of our businesses integrated. But I think that we started this very well.

As to margins, and then this is slightly above WEG’s expectation, but this is in line what Regal had been doing while you were managing the businesses of industrial systems as announced a long year. And utilization capacity, which has not changed yet and it’s around 50% as we published when we made the acquisition.

As to the growth in local currency, two comments. Well, this number in the press release does not consider the acquisition. And we are adjusting the economies to inflation not to distort. And especially Argentina and Turkey. Just to say this here overall, the growth is smaller this quarter. And as a reminder in the second quarter last year, we had that major project in generation in Europe along with GTD and the market. The comparison basis was very strong, and we have a more normalized scenario. We should see this growth in local currency growing more — closer to what we are growing in dollars something that is more aligned with the growth of the foreign market considering the acquisition and these one-off effects this quarter.

Q – Lucas Marquiori

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Continuing our next question comes from André Mazini from Citi. André, please ask your question.

André Mazini

Good morning, Rodrigues and Salgueiro. First question, what’s your exposure with regards to the data center. We know that you provide products that are intensely used in data centers. Do you make any other products that are used in data centers? Of course, there are many indirect things, but this direct exposure.

And the second question is about the transformer market. We get reports showing the lead time for the transformer in North America was 40 weeks. Now it’s 130 weeks with prices going up 80%, since 2020. Has WEG’s delivery time also gone up so much? This is due to lack of capacity in the industry? As to the capacity, we have seen Siemens and Hitachi’s announcements to increase capacity, and they are investing today for capacities too for deliveries in 2027. Is this okay? Greenfield takes on average three years in the transformers market?

Unidentified Company Representative

Hi, André. Thank you for your question. Data centers that somehow involves AI which is 20 subject recently and everyone is talking about it. Well, number one, this is something that the WEG is related to this product line, how we can help that segment to develop. But I’m going to give you an overview of the opportunities this may represent to our company and where we are more or less exposed to that.

Number one, data centers AI. This involves many different segments where WEG operates. This is directly related to demand and use of electric power. And this is the focus of our products and solutions. AI systems and data centers demand a large amount of electric power, especially, considering computing power of those data centers that goes up and up. There is more processing of information.

To WEG, overall, this exposure will demand higher energy consumption and what we are seeing today especially, with renewables. And moreover the need of having backup power so that there is no interruption in operations and cooling systems for processors and servers.

First one in generation as more power is demand. The demand for renewable generation is expected to go up where we work in generation of electric wind and thermal power generation. So you need more electric power. And as a consequence the entire transmission and distribution infrastructure also needs to be developed and this is happening especially in the United States today where demand is concentrated currently.

Also as I said before emergency generation or backup so data centers use redundant energy supply systems. So they are comprised by generation groups. And we offer generators and alternators for those. So we have the newly acquired businesses of Marathon that have significant exposure to some of the leading suppliers of this kind of solution in US.

The kind of generator that WEG through the acquisition of Marathon manufacturers in US, Marathon was already a leader in US market in that area. And we shouldn’t forget that there are alternatives in power storage systems in batteries and WEG has a good positioning both in US and in Brazil. And finalizing in terms of refrigerating systems data centers need cooling systems because there is a lot of warming up and WEG already has some exposure that we call heating ventilation and conditioning.

So we have many types of equipment. All these systems use electrical motors and automation equipment that we manufacture. Data centers are not new. WEG is expected. They are not direct customers. But, yes, this will generate a distributed demand in the many business areas that I have mentioned. And of course we are assessing this scenario with optimism and prepared to make the most of the opportunity.

So I’d like to say that there is the tree and the forest. So data centers now are the trees but the vision of the forest the entire infrastructure that needs to be developed to make it happen. And WEG has always been very well positioned in this structure.

So as to transmission and distribution we’ve been reporting the T&D performance for a while, as a highlight and as an indication of good demand for that kind of equipment both in Brazil and in international market. And as to your question about demand in the US, it is warmed up and we are making the most of it and in this scenario naturally we have longer lead times and longer portfolio times. So our portfolio today is longer than it used to be a few years ago and this indicates recurring demand looking into the future. So we are likely to see the scenario in future quarters.

It’s important to say that it depends a little bit on the kind of transformer. So bigger transformers very powerful transformers. The lead time is longer when we have midsized transformers the lead times are slightly shorter and renewable and distribution transformers at times or even shorter. So it depends on the kind of machine we are talking about. And of course there’s a commercial strategy for each company.

How much you want to have in home and whether there is space for us to use new opportunities in the future. And in the scenario it’s natural so the chart in our presentation that we have long cycle demand when the market is warmed up and demand is also warmed up, we naturally have a scenario that is better in terms of pricing and this helps in profitability to as we’ve been seeing in recent quarters.

Mazini, I just forgot to talk about the lead times of our factory. So last year we announced on WEG Day a few important investments, especially a greenfield factory in Mexico and we expect that plant to be ready at the end of 2026. So this gives you an idea more or less of times between the announcement, the building, construction and once the plant is ready. So you can have an idea.

André Mazini

Thank you. Thank you, Salgueiro and Rodrigues

Operator

Our next question comes from João Frizo from Goldman Sachs.

João Frizo

Good morning, everyone. Thank you for taking my question. I have two quick questions. First is an update regarding the wind market in India. At what stage is the project? And secondly thinking in the mid and long-term, you always talk about your growth target in mid-teens. How do you see today the breakdown between organic and inorganic growth? Obviously, we are seeing many tailwinds for organic growth. So what about new acquisitions versus organic growth?

André Salgueiro

Hi João, this is Salgueiro. As to wind in India, we worked on the certification of our machine. We are past that. It’s been certified. We are now in the final phase of the civil construction of our plant and we are going to start the installation of equipment, so that it’s 100% ready for the first orders. At the same time there is a commercial effort. For now we do not yet have any contracts in the Indian market but the commercial team is already working to find opportunities and maybe something that goes into our portfolio for us to start manufacturing in the second half of next year with effective deliveries only in 2026. This is more or less the pipeline that we have right now for the development in India.

As to organic versus inorganic growth, it’s very difficult for us to define targets of how much we can grow in one category or any other. Well number one, WEG’s objective is to always deliver two-digit growth as you’ve mentioned. But WEG will never favor acquisitions just to meet growth targets. This is very clear in our mission. We want continuous and sustainable growth.

So actually there is not a target of how much we’re supposed to grow, because different businesses need to have a long-term strategy to find conditions to seek the growth in the company. So that’s why we have never defined those objectives for inorganic and organic. Obviously, if there are good opportunities, we may take a look and find more organic opportunities as with Regal recently and others in the past. But there is no objective for each of WEG’s businesses. And definitely, we have the objective to continue to deliver 2-digit growth consistently in the long term. Thank you so much.

Operator

Now continuing our next question will be asked in English from Jens Spiess. We are going to open your audio to ask a question please.

Jens Spiess

Yes, thank you and sorry for taking this in English. First of all, congrats on the results and taking the time to answer our questions. I have three quick questions. One is on your backlog for wind turbines in Brazil. How long will it take down to wind down that business? And how much does it currently represent of your domestic GTD revenues approximately? Secondly on CapEx, what should we expect for the second half of the year? I think your initial indications of CapEx for the full year would indicate an acceleration versus the first half that you reported. And third and last question, if you could give us any sense on the assets you acquired from Regal the margins that you’re having just in order to be able to forecast like the full integration into your results. And if there’s a meaningful difference between the profitability that you have in GTD and EEI for those assets.

Menegueti Salgueiro

Thank you so much Jens for your question in English. We are going to answer in Portuguese with a simultaneous translation. As to the backlog for wind power, as I said before, even before, we are delivering a last project that we have in our portfolio. So from now on in the second half of 2024, we are likely to have revenue from wind that will go down and will gradually go down until the end of the year. From next year on, we have no projects to be delivered. It doesn’t mean that we are going to have 0 revenue, because we do have a few operation and maintenance contracts that generate recurring revenue, so that’s still happening in the mid and long term. And we depend on new projects being placed in our portfolio for us to generate revenue with wind turbines in the future.

We do not publish the exact breakdown of each of the businesses in GTD Brazil. But it’s important to say as I said in the beginning that there is some oscillation in revenues and when we look at GTD as a whole, but we have other businesses within GTD, especially T&D and solar that will continue to perform with growth in the second half of the year. So we need to see the overall mix of GTD what it will look like in the second half of the year, but we are working for the impact of wind to be the smallest possible.

It’s important to say that we have already gone through similar times in the past in 2017 — 2016-2017 when we did not have any wind turbine projects in our portfolio. But despite of that we somehow could occupy our plant. And we reinforce it is important that our factory is not dedicated to wind turbines is a large machine equipment. We do the adjustments in our manufacturing line. And then we work on the other segments of the company and try and find opportunities for us to continue our growth.

As to CapEx and investments, we have approved R$1.9 billion which is considerably bigger than what we did in previous years. If we consider how much we invested in the first half of 2024, it was less than half something of R$743 million. This doesn’t mean anything because usually the second half of the year is always bigger. The CapEx for the second half of the year is usually bigger than that of the first half of the year. But I don’t think we are going to get to all the CapEx. Sometimes we cannot execute the entire amount within that year. So we are likely not to deliver BRL1.9 billion in terms of CapEx. But apparently it’s going to be more than BRL1.6 billion. That is the amount we invested last year. It’s going to be something between BRL1.7 billion to BRL1.9 billion following the trends in the first half of the year something. But definitely we are not going to have anything above what we approved in our capital budget.

Now when we have the chance of talking about the strategy of our acquisition, we also talked about the complexity of this process. We are talking about 10 manufacturing lines in seven different countries and obviously producing engines and generators and we know a lot about this, but they use the different model as compared to WEG.

WEG has verticalization as a competitive advantage, which was not the case of Regal that does not have the same level of verticalization and we announced that definitely our objective is to bring margins of operations in each country closer to the margins of the operations where WEG operates. We assure that this is going to happen.

The only thing is our expectation in terms of the timing. When I talk about verticalization, sometimes we need to invest in production capacity of components. And obviously we do not have capacity that is ready to meet 100% of Regal businesses in each of the countries we operate.

So it takes a little while for us to make all the investments to start manufacturing those parts. In the past, if there is a process as big as this one, considering WEG’s experience in the market it does may take something like three to five years to come through in terms of IT, so implementing the same ERP that WEG, which is completely different. This is a complex implementation process considering the exposure of business — of having businesses in many different countries.

So this is something that we should take into account. I’m not saying that everything is going to happen after the third or fifth year. This is a journey and things happen period after period. But on the side of WEG, we will be able to do it once the integration is 100% done.

Operator

Now our next question comes from Daniel Gasparete from Itau BBA. Daniel, please you may ask your question.

Daniel Gasparete

Good morning, everyone. Thank you for the webcast. I want to go over something that Andre said about Regal’s ramp-up. You said that there is a growing demand for products manufactured by Mali. So in AI data center race, can it accelerate the ramp up? How do you see the utilization of Regal? So how is this likely to evolve?

And now thinking of the other areas slightly more, electric mobility and GT&D in Brazil especially GD Brazil. So where is this going to go towards in to — when Salgueiro talked about wind, do you think this is going towards the same direction? What is it going to be like?

Menegueti Salgueiro

Daniel, thank you for your question. Well, sure of the new demand for equipment are related to a given segment when we have higher demand this may accelerate. The fact that today we have utilization capacity that is low as compared to WEG’s assets in the Regal Rexnord assets that we have acquired, yes, there is an opportunity for us to produce more.

In the case of generators, we have generating engines the utilization capacity for generators is a higher capacity than engines. But yes if customers need, we need to be reminded we also manufacture generators in other locations of the company and we are ready to meet this demand.

Gasparete, as to electrical mobility there are two main groups of products. One is powertrain and battery packs, especially for electrical buses and trucks, the market is developing. You must have seen the pace is good, but slightly below what the market expected, especially in the past when investment intentions were announced, especially in the purchase of buses by — in big cities in Brazil, but we are participating in the processes and there are orders and we take part through our partners.

In most of the market, we are well-positioned. We have both powertrain and battery pack and we have powertrain for Volkswagen. And we want to understand more about the evolution and the project on the front end so that we get more traction. Now when we see the charging stations here this is fast and demand because of heavy vehicles, but there is a demand from light vehicles. We have a partnership with the main OEMs, especially with the recharge together with the car or what is offered to customers in agencies and we have charging stations for fast charging. So there is a significant growth. This is likely to continue to grow if we look into future quarters and even future years.

Now as to solar power basically, what we have today is classified as GD. It’s been a while that we haven’t had any major projects of GC. So we’re seeing that the market is getting better is improving. When we look at volumes, volumes have presented a significant growth. Especially this quarter we see significant growth in terms of volume. And in terms of revenue, we do not yet see any growth. Revenues are still going down because of the effect of cost adjustments, especially solar panels along last year. But as the basis is normalized, we start to see some growth. And in the previous questions, we expect this to start happening along the second half of this year.

Daniel Gasparete

Thank you very much. Thank you very much for the opportunity.

Operator

Our next question comes from Alberto Valerio from UBS. Alberto, please. You may ask your question.

Alberto Valerio

Good morning, Jaragua, Rodrigues and Felipe. Thank you for the opportunity. I would like to take a more longer-term look. I remember that on WEG Day, we’re talking about transmission and transmission lines. We talked about the plant in Blumenau and external expansion. And we see in the next five years a CAGR of 8%. And I remember, WEG’s thinking in terms of price volume that materials had gone up a lot in prices, but then had gone back down in terms of commodity prices and WEG would try and keep prices. This quarter, it seems it was different. In the long term, do you see any changes? Are you still based on the same assumption? And also in terms of capacity of your plant in the US, do you have the flexibility to change from electrical engines to transmitters? Can you have longer shifts? What about the use of the capacity? And last is price transfers. What can we expect this year? Thank you very much.

Menegueti Salgueiro

Okay. This is Salgueiro. As to the T&D market, we presented a few numbers in WEG Day last year both in terms of market performance and growth. And then as part of the investment package, we have a greenfield land in Mexico and another one in Colombia and some significant investments here in Brazil especially in Betim and in Itajuba in Gerais. And I think that there is an indication that the market is warmed up and we are expecting to continue the growth looking in the mid and long term which was the focus of your question.

I think it is important to indicate that WEG as we like to work and we make investments and increased production and capacity in modules as we say. And the market still indicates growth. We might have new projects or new investments decisions looking into the future.

Now, looking into the future, naturally growth is going to come from volume. And as the market is warmed up as we said, some of that growth is going to come from price. I think that there has been the growth highlight in GTD both in the domestic and international markets and it is likely to continue like that if we look into the future.

Now, as to the second part of your question, about the factories in Regal plants. We have Regal Rexnord operations that are more focused on engines and we have Regal operations more related to generators and alternators.

So, usually there are different manufacturing plants. So, we have idle capacity when we said that — when we announced the acquisition and we can improve that along future quarters. And if we have opportunities to grow in the future we want to have a fuller factory and we have some flexibility of manufacturing in other locations because we have other factories, for example, in Brazil and the factories in Mexico, so that we can have some flexibility. And maybe in the future if necessary, we can think of new investments. But this is not what we are thinking about right now.

As to your last question, about price, well we always look product-by-product case-by-case, there has been a fluctuation in some raw materials that are important to us along Q1. And we are transferring those prices to some of the products in our portfolio, but this is more of this monitoring cost and need to replace something or to transfer prices looking product-by-product case-by-case.

Alberto Valerio

If I may follow-up, if you allow me Andre, if you need T&D capacity in U.S., can you revert the engine? I know that industrial engine is doing very well, but could you use that capacity to transform it to T&D? Or is this impossible?

Andre Luis Rodrigues

Kind of different manufacturing plants. It would be complicated to do that. Yes, we can use T&D plants in Mexico, Colombia, U.S. We have operations in these three countries. So, between those operations, we have some flexibility but from engines and generators to transform, this is a little bit more complicated more difficult. It’s more geographical flexibility.

Alberto Valerio

Thank you so much. Congratulations on your performance and have a good day.

Operator

Our next question comes from Marcelo Motta from JPMorgan. Marcelo, you may ask your question.

Marcelo Motta

I have two questions. So, this is just a follow-up on margins. And do you have any rule of thumb in terms of depreciation of the BRL that might have helped you in terms of labor and in domestic? A few things are dollarized that are exports in Brazil. So, what can we think in terms of how these depreciations may help margin if you may?

And the second topic is the working capital. So, you break down Regal’s financials, but how much longer do you think it will take before you normalize the working capital levels to the levels you had before the acquisition of Regal?

Andre Luis Rodrigues

Motta, this is Rodrigues answering your first question about the appreciation of the BRL. I think that there is no shadow of a doubt. Whenever there is a devaluation that is slightly sharper in a period of time, undoubtedly, it provides benefits in the short-term in terms of impacting the margin in the short-term, also because today slightly more than 50% of our revenues is international.

And as a reminder, is slightly less than half of our revenues internationally is manufactured in Brazil and exported and then we have a benefit at first with the devaluation of the BRL. But we saw this in 2020 in the second half because at first there was a significant devaluation. There was a positive impact in the short-term.

Now we need to remember that the FX rate is just one component affecting margins but we also need to remember that part of our raw materials also suffered the effect. So copper, steel — so we always say, whenever there is a devaluation or valuations of the currency, there is an impact in the short-term that may be positive as it was in this quarter. But if the opposite happens, this is going to be an offender.

But a long time is you need to buy raw material again for the inventory, we buy at adjusted prices and the margin is adjusted in the sequence. So devaluation in the case of ag has a positive impact, and afterwards it is adjusted. So this is not something perennial.

As to working capital, we have had an increase, especially if we look at the indicators in inventory, we had worsening the consolidated working capital dropped to — from 4.5 to 4.3. And this was the effect of the acquisition of Regal’s inventory that operate at levels that are well below WEG’s levels. And this will take a while. I think that at first we need to understand better to define a new supply chain dynamics for us to seek the normalization.

So this is another point that I am sure we will be able to implement but it takes a while for us to analyze everything and then our cost, operations, acquisitions, raw material. This is a significant industrial engineering work. This is where we started. And slightly further on in the future, we will have an improvement in these performance indicators of the company related to inventory.

Marcelo Motta

Rodrigues, thank you for answering my question.

Operator

Our next question comes from Lucas Barbosa from Santander.

Lucas Barbosa

Hello, Rodrigues, Salgueiro, Felipe. Congratulations on your performance. Could you give us an update about the internationalization process of your charging and charging stations for electric mobility?

Menegueti Salgueiro

Hi, Lucas. Good morning. Well actually we started this process with partnerships with car manufacturers with us in Brazil. And we started extending these partnerships to a few countries, especially other countries in Latin America. So we started with countries in South America. But more recently we are going to Mexico too. So this is a natural process, and we are also in the phase of certifying other geographies.

So there is an internal idea here that this is a product that is likely to have a more global exposure. I don’t know if all geographies but probably the Americas and Europe for sure. So, products are always related to the electrical, grid needs to be certified in each one of the countries or regions. And we are going through the certification process in these geographies. And once we complete that we will be able to start selling and offering these products in other regions.

Lucas Barbosa

Super clear, Salgueiro. Thank you very much for your answer. Have a good day.

Operator

We now end our questions-and-answers session. I would like to give the floor to Andre Rodrigues for his final remarks. Mr. Rodrigues please.

Andre Luis Rodrigues

Hello. Once again, I would like to thank you all very much for your attendance to our webcast for the earnings of the second quarter. And I would like to invite you again to our WEG Day that will be on October, the 4th with our CEO and other people in the company with live transmission on the Internet and simultaneous interpretation. Thank you so much.

Operator

WEG’s earnings webcast has now ended. Thank you very much for your participation and have an excellent day.